Of Predictions and the Multi-Verse… An Open Letter

 

rsz_time-is-ticking-awayToday, I received a comment on the COATT blog (provided below) which I felt merited a more robust response than might be possible in a small comment box. Similarly, I would like to afford the author’s question and my response a wider audience since I am sure that there are a great many in the Titor-verse who have similar questions or assumptions. 

Consider this a sneak peek into the depth and quality of analysis that will be available in the update to Conviction of a Time Traveler.  Enjoy… 

I dispute the very idea that John Titor made “predictions” – He told the history of his timeline, which he believed to not deviate from ours by more than a few percentage points. But a small change can have larger ramifications – moving events off by decades. Or Titor was wrong about how much deviation there was. Perhaps something had gone wrong and he was off his timeline by 15-20% . We are talking about a “Many-Universes” conception of reality here – so the only expectation we can have about Titor’s statements is that they are true in John Titor’s original timeline – a timeline he admitted he could never be sure he returned to, just as he admitted there was no way he could prove he was a time traveler by making “predictions” .

So we take his statements for what they are worth – a possible future. If you had told me in 2000 that there would be a Civil war in the United States in 5 years, or 10 or 20 or 30 I would have laughed at you. I am not laughing now. The Actual year doesn’t matter. If similar events happened in Titor’s timeline, then they COULD happen here. Its up to us to see if they ARE happening here by looking at the real world around us.


Mr. Weisshaupt:


The term “prediction” is reliant upon one’s perspective, as I’m sure you’ll agree. In the regime of ‘time travel,’ one man’s memory is another man’s prediction.  Nevertheless, I render this a distinction without a difference and shouldn’t cause us too much consternation.


The idea of basing our judgment on ‘how different’ Titor’s world line is to ours on what Titor claimed is a recipe for disaster leading only to obfuscation and confusion. While your characterization of the Butterfly Effect is relevant in the abstract, it is not necessarily germane or practically impactful in a real sense.


In a similar vein, you mention how Titor would not/could not make any predictions because his world line was different from ours.  While I understand how you came to this understanding, I might offer a different perspective: The idea that our world line is 2.5% different from his world line is a non sequitur. I would caution against leaning too heavily against the 2.5% numerical value for the ‘differentness’ factor. For now, simply understand that that numerical value is not what it appears. This idea will be more fully fleshed out in the upcoming update to Conviction of a Time Traveler, but for now, just set aside the idea of being able to measure differentness at all; for all intents and purposes, Titor’s world line of origin (also a non-sequitur) is nearly identical to our own (again, a non-sequitur).


Rather, I put forward that Titor would not/could not predict our future because he was unaware of where or how the individual world line differences would appear.  Stated another way, by merely saying that our universes were 2.5% different, he lays no claim on being able to identify which 2.5% is different.  What if he were able to correctly predict the lotto numbers but his prediction of the color of your car was incorrect?  Would you believe or disbelieve his claim of ‘time travel?’  It is for this reason (among others, obviously) that Titor refused to make any predictions over and above the ones he made while posting online. I highly recommend reading my essay, “2.5% of Trump.”


SIIn sum, and I understand how much of a cop-out saying this is (for now), but the TimeTravel_0 narrative, and its attendant context, are orders of magnitude more complex that many give it credit for. It is rare to come upon anyone who fully grasps its complexity and, not for nothing, I am certain that even I fall far short in imagining the outer edges of its scope. The best any of us can do is to constantly question our previous assertions and leave room for the possibility that we might just have it all wrong. Be prepared to abandon your hard-fought and well-defended conclusions for new and unexpected vistas.


As Ever

Temporal Recon

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10 thoughts on “Of Predictions and the Multi-Verse… An Open Letter

  1. “In sum, and I understand how much of a cop-out saying this is (for now), but the TimeTravel_0 narrative, and its attendant context, are orders of magnitude more complex that many give it credit for. It is rare to come upon anyone who fully grasps its complexity and, not for nothing, I am certain that even I fall far short in imagining the outer edges of its scope. The best any of us can do is to constantly question our previous assertions and leave room for the possibility that we might just have it all wrong. Be prepared to abandon your hard-fought and well-defended conclusions for new and unexpected vistas.”

    I concur.

    Most have no idea just how deep and expansive the network of rabbit holes is. It goes all the way to hell.

  2. Considering the person above can’t spell, I doubt such is actually Razimus.

    However, I am very happy to see interesting conversation taking place. Finally? Something worth reading or listening to.

    Jim, I noticed you must be in another country. When the 16th in the usa is the 17th else where. Perhaps England? Though, you don’t make jokes like someone else I know. Sure do miss timeflipper. He always made me laugh. 🙂

    Interesting comment Jim. 🙂

  3. temoral is actually Temporal. And, Maury is actually Morey. Razimus would know such. And, none of them are the same person. Sorry.

  4. Laughing so hard! Lololol… With the true Larry Haber’s permission, I am allowed to take care of this. 🙂

    The fake posters above, posting under the real name of real people, thereby electronically stealing their identity ~ is FAKE. Larry Haber did not write the above. Please disregard fully.

    So funny… This morning I heard the most perfect song before the above happened. Its a fun sonf too. 🙂
    The Go-Go’s – Our Lips Are Sealed: http://youtu.be/r3kQlzOi27M

    Hm… I wonder how much trouble someone could get into by using someone else’s real name to post under. Interesting…

  5. My favorite lyrics in the song?

    “Hush, my darling
    Don’t you cry
    Quiet, angel
    Forget their lies”

    Yep. Sums it up. Liars posing as real people. Sorry. You just ran into a wall. Me. 🙂

    Love honest, kind, devotes, good hearted people. They make it all worth it. Not the liars… 🙂

    Lips now sealed.

  6. I am honored you gave my comment such consideration .. .

    My understanding is that the divergence number came via the gravity lock on his time travel device. In other words – the immediate gravity characteristics around the device varied by 2.5% … so it really doesn’t say a lot about how different the actual world lines will be – only that there is a location in both world lines where the gravity characteristics didn’t vary much.. or at least that is his layman’s description of how the machine works, while he implies there is more to it than that ( and there would have to be since really similar world lines may exist where the earth is moving in space 1 mintue behind or ahead of our…) But even if he had made what he indicated would be a miraculously journey to his own timeline, his mere appearance there would cause a divergent line to form, and that new line would again be subject to the quantum wave functions that govern which future timeline is observed.

    Titor was not making and could not make make predictions because the moment he arrives, the quantum state of the universe he entered is altered, and this sets in motion a number of other changes that may or may not alter the world line dramatically. He does suggest that most changes are “self-healing” with his comment about “attractors” – and that events on similar timelines will converge to more or less the same outcomes.

    When Titor makes a “prediction” or tells us us about his history, he is really speaking about a quantum probability which is a sum of a probability function at every potential split in the decision tree from the moment he arrives in our time line. He statements are more like “bets” – the closer to the entry time, there is a really good probability that events will unfold exactly as they did in his history. .. with those bets getting worse odds the longer he stays on the timeline.. Titor pretty much said as much – that he expected the world to become ever less familiar to him as time progressed, and that if he traveled to our future that it would be different from the one he left and intended to return to. This is the reason he had to returning via a route reentering 1975 JUST BEFORE he originally arrived 1975 and then moving forward — thus minimizing the effect of his second re-entry in 1975 and making it very likely he will be able to continue back forward on that timeline to his original point of departure without following the fork — and he would have had to do that even if he never came to the year 2000 on the fork he created in 1975

    • As a guess, as merely speculation;

      It’s about a differential between acceleration and average speed as per a given relative time frame.

      It’s about the head and shoulders comment somewhere in there.

      And I suspect the reason why all hell breaks loose or something.

      Something about the butterfly effect.

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